I'm curious what moot is thinking right now. Assuming this is the end for 4chan, it would be weird to see your creation finally die, that everyone knows you for and your only contribution to the world that has also been around for most of your life.

It serves him right. He should have known that he would have never overcome world2ch. We went down early back in '04 but now we beam triumphantly in the end!

Those who cross our great japanese-english hybrid bbs never prosper! Worudo2channeru wo banzai!

He's made much more than 4chan lmfao

What's so funny that you are "laughing your fucking ass off"?

He probably is happy it's gone now. Though the first few years were enjoyable to him, 4chan clearly took its toll on him over time, and by the end, he wanted out at all costs.
It's too early to start eulogies though, the site is still supposed to come back up with some security patches.

Also yeah, I agree with >>2, he worked in Google's ecosystem for 5 years, and was product manager of Google Map's Tokyo division for 3, and though it was a failure, he also started canv.as.

Oh yeah, although this is the first time that something this massive has happened under Hiroyuki's ownership, this isn't actually the first time that 4chan has "died"... or for refuges to arrive elsewhere, for that matter. I know like 99% of their userbase is under the age of 20, and hell, the userbase here is probably too, but I can count on two fingers how many years 4chan didn't somehow disappear for a few weeks in the 2000s.
It's a cockroach in an apocalyptic world, 50% holy land traffic and all.

It was more common for 4chan to go down, pretty frequently actually, 15+ years ago/under moot. However this is the first time (as you said) something of this magnitude has happened under hiroyuki, and since the state of the software and security has been revealed as mostly untouched since moot left, I think it spells that he and his staff lacks the competence to try to bring it back.
I also think that everyone is riding on the hope that it's gone for good wwwwwwwwww.

I'm a rapefugee oldfag, and I've been having a great time since 4chan went down, visiting all the other chans and being reminded of what 4chan used to be like. Here's what I don't miss from modern 4chan:
- The resident schizos on some boards, like barneyfag, or barry
- Shit janitors who ban for the smallest thing
- Auto-detection and deletion of ancient copypastas
- An owner who doesn't interact with the community, ever
- Highly restrictive upload file sizes
- Audio not allowed in uploaded videos on most boards

>>6
I am curious why others are leaning on it being down for good. I don't have that sort of hope, despite the evident flaws.

>>9
Look man, the highly restrictive upload file sizes are a result of bandwidth and hard drive space. I don't have the ODT right now, but I calculated an event where I increased it to 10 megabytes and the site's required storage ballooned to something ridiculous. I think it was 2 petabytes. That's also a ridiculous amount of content to deliver, ESPECIALLY since 4chan hasn't made a single dime since the 2000s.
I agree that they are restrictive, but only certain boards should receive an increase in light of that fact(hr of all boards definitely should)

Things I personally didn't like that weren't listed (I agree with most of them)
- The complete lack of moderation on certain boards like /vp/
- The absolute state of /b/
- webms (it's not a VIDEO board, damn it)
- The lack of OC for /f/ (I'm partially responsible for never posting anything)
- 50%+ of traffic coming from Israel

>>6
If you look at the wider public reaction I think you see a lot of aspiration that this really will be the ultiamte death for the site, and just like Twitter screenshots, that bleeds back into 4chan's userbase. Exactly as you say, though, it has pretty much always teetered on death. The scale of this event seems pretty hard to recover from but I think some of the resiliency that has always been on staff to keep the site alive is still hanging around, based on the leaked comms and IRC.

>>9
Have any of the altchans in particular stood out to you? So far I'm finding a lot of the activity is centered around otaku culture and anime, so it feels you're spoiled for choice if you were an /a/ or /jp/ regular, but I'm not seeing much else except the litter of boards on 8chan. I had a bookmarks folder of altchans prior to this and I'd say the majority have remained mostly dead, with a few winners emerging like kissu and smugloli.

world2ch and 2ch-like BBSs like it beat all the others with their simplicity and relation to 2ch. All of the others (imageboards mostly, like the ones you listed) sacrifice quality posts and users for the sake of "better" software and activity. Conformists!

I said "like" twice I'm an idiot take me to the gallows

i've been exploring textboards as a result, it's been a long time.

>>9
>>10
just look at 8chan to see what happens when there's no fucking limit to what you can upload. that shit is never staying up unless they figure out some very clever way to store all this (P2P? maybe?)
>webms (it's not a VIDEO board, damn it)
iirc they were just meant to be better gifs.

I mean that WAS the intention of introducing webms. Still doesn't make it right to me. It also doesn't help that they introduced mp4 later. It's a damn shame that browser plugins are dead, because we could've deferred to some other, much better format for this. Instead, we're stick to the whims of the damn browser programmers who struggle to understand STRING ALLOCATION, let alone actually implementing good alternatives.

Oh yeah, I have access to my tables now! Currently, 4chan needs approximately 4.17 petabytes of storage to store every single image(my table fails to account for the archives, because at the time I couldn't figure out how many archived threads could exist at the time, and it also doesn't account for /j/ for obvious reasons.) Bringing every board to the same level as /f/(which has the highest file size of 10 megabytes) would mean that 4chan needs 9.02 petabytes of storage. That's approximately a 216% increase in storage required to host just the catalogs of all 78 boards.

Sorry I think I fucked up my math, that's PROBABLY supposed to be 116%.
To give you an idea of how ridiculous of an increase that is, from 2016->January 2025 was only a 75% increase, and that's with a change of 7 boards.
Here's the sheet if you want to fuck with the numbers yourself.
https://world2ch.net/uploader/src/022.ods

I like "better" software... Please bring realplayer to world2chan (੭ˊ^ˋ)੭ ♡

REALPLAYER? ARE YOU INSANE!? YOU MEAST REALLY LOVE ALL THAT NEWS, EMAIL, AND REALPLAYER ADVERTISEMENT POPUPS DON'T YA?

I wanna know if he feels more about this or about the death of canv.as, and would it have failed if he hadn't mandated facebook?

how is it in 19 pages no one's mentioned how the site's been actively killing itself? captcha, email verification, 10 minute cooldowns...it's driven so many people away

This is called a BBS, it only has captcha for making new threads. Are you used to forums or something?

I meant anonymous BBS, since a forum is a BBS too

I think my previous post got shit-canned because I had a too-confrontational tone, but I think the points are still relevant, so let me try again.
>email verification, 10 minute cooldowns
A slight correction: It's 15 minutes, and that's the initial "join" cooldown. It also gets skipped by E-Mail verification, which is totally optional for every board except /biz/.
(Unless you're referring to starting new threads, which I'm pretty sure took only 5 minutes.)
>captcha
I still haven't gotten this complaint after reflecting on it for half a decade. Moot implemented a far worse version of the captcha in years past, and all Hiroyuki's done is tacked on additional difficulty levels, hCaptcha and reCaptcha for initial verification. I'd hardly consider that "killing itself."
All of this was done to at least temporarily curb AI traffic, and a question of how much of 4chan's traffic was chatbots.

And raises* a question of, good lord I need to proof read with some caffeine.

>>20
I think if moot had held out a little longer and waited until Monero became a big thing, some millionaire would've come by and completely bankrolled 4chan for him. It's a shame.

>>24
5 minutes to start new threads is inexcusable. The 15 minutes post timer isn't THAT bad if you never erase your cookies.

Why is it inexcusable? It seems completely reasonable to me.
That timer is only between new threads in the same board, not thread posts(a separate 1 minute timer that's usually refreshed by the time you actually go post a new thread.) Additionally, because the timer is separate across all of the boards, so you could actually post 72 new threads in 1 minute if you really felt like it.
I can't fathom a case where you'd post new threads to the same board that quickly for legitimate reasons, and struggle to think of one for posting to different boards as well.

>I think my previous post got shit-canned because I had a too-confrontational tone, but I think the points are still relevant, so let me try again.
I thought you did something else and were saying something else. It is my mistake.

If new grounds is still alive then 4chan still has another 20 years left at least

>>31
yotsuchan is back

world2ch is the last post on /f/
https://world2ch.net/uploader/src/030.png

/f/ not going to come back it seems. it's a shame.

At least we got the last huzzah over it.

>>34
>[2ch_News.swf] world2ch.net is back

/f/ Died so that world2ch could live.

Their sacrifice will not be forgotten

>>37
never forget